Note to United 93 blog:
Please note, there are many websites and theories about 9-11 which fly
off into the stratosphere. Engineers who have done solid research on
the main conspiracy theory about 9-11 --- the theory that 19 hijackers
did it alone --- and logically concluded that that theory is total crap
-- are alarmed/dismayed/angry at the amount of bizarre crap out there.
Pods. UFOs. Blue Rays. Ideas and allegations with no substantiation.
However there are several things which can be substantiated.
1. A dozen or more previous instances of government-sponsored or
arranged or otherwise faked terrorism and attacks, and proposed
attacks. This goes back decades, or even centuries. It's the oldest
trick in the book for despots ruling over their subjects. Many of these
are substantiated by govt documents in the National Archives, or in the
memoirs of former govt officials.
2. Past relationships btw officials in the US govt or US
corporate-finance sector and the group known as "Al-Qaeda".
3. Past history of US private sector involvement with fascism and the
It doesn't take genius to cover up an orgy of evidence. It
takes power. We have 11 or 12 Intelligence organizations which are
adjunct to our military, they are compartmentalized and quiet. And they
Start with #3. That's easy. It's easy because J. Edgar Hoover
prosecuted a man who financed the Nazis for years past the declaration
of war, and Hoover won a conviction. That man was Prescott Bush. Look
The Bush family connection is LESS important.
Everyone thinks "oh, Bush is a Nazi, woo hoo." Well, he is, but
that's besides the point. The point is, Prescott Bush was not some lone
businessman. He was a player in a large network of Hitler supporters
who operated for at least a decade, and also supported Mussolini.
THESE people were the financial establishment of the
US (the hated NY establishment) -- and also became the
political and military establishment. This is the CREAM of Wall
Street. One of the Wall Street law firms is still in existence --
Sullivan and Cogliano which employed Dulles bros is Enron's firm.
Let's say it simply: Prescott Bush's and Averill Harriman's liaison
with the Third Reich was attorneys Allen Dulles and his brother John
Foster Dulles. Dulles Airport? Allen
Dulles became the founder and Director of the Central Intelligence
Agency, and his brother John was Secretary of State. Case closed I
think. People who got gold, weapons, chemicals, oil, steel, aluminum,
etc. over to the Nazis seized the highest officies in the land.
But there's lots more. Nixon was their waterboy. He was a Bush
protégé. Nixon made sure that the McCarthy hearings went
after communists but stayed away from Nazis. Much more.
Second point of #3: Operation
Northwoods. US Govt plans written by Gen.
Lyman Lemnitzer and staff to carry out 9-11 style attacks and kill
Americans, to frighten and anger the population and "create a
helpful wave of public indignation" which would push their goal of
a military invasion of Cuba. This plan was not a pipe-dream. All
the Joint Chiefs signed off. It's in our National Archives.
Robert S. McNamara and his "boy President" blocked Northwoods, because
to them it was too crazy. Yep. Kennedy. But that's not all that
JFK did. He demoted Gen. Lemnitzer who hated Kennedy. JFK fired Allen
Dulles. He put his foot down on the military and CIA. Guess who was the
point man in charge of JFK's murder investigation a few months later.
Right, Allen Dulles. 2+2=4. Long story. www.jfkii.com
Let's look at #2: Ever heard of BCCI? Bank of Commerce and
Credit International. Also known as "Bank of Crooks and Criminals". I
call it the "Al-Qaeda International Bank of Pakistan". However
some Time reporters described it as 'not really a
bank, but more like an intelligence organization plus capital flows,
which dealt in narcotics global trade, illegal arms sales, money
laundering, etc." BCCI was tied in with the western European
banking system, major banks like Deutsche and others. BCCI was
illegally aided to buy Bank of America and set up shop.
OH, btw, CIA used it to launder and hide money for it's secret
operations using BCCI.
Let's look at some of the politicians who had to DENY
knowing what BCCI was doing: Clark Clifford, elderly statesman
and icon of the Democratic Party. George Herbert Walker Bush, Vice
President and past CIA Dir. Various CIA people tied in to Ollie North
and the Iran-Contra scandal which was high treason. Secretly
selling arms with a state declared an enemy and a terrorist state,
Iran. (There is evidence that the West
actually set up and managed the Ayatollah takeover to prevent liberals
from coming to power.)
I-C was a covert funding operation which broke the law by bypassing a
Congressional ban on funding the Contra terrorists. I-C and BCCI also
put money into the secret accounts of the big players, AND helped
fund Al-Qaeda -- or rather Jihadists later known as Al-Qaeda.
I could write a book about that, but anyone can look it up themselves.
OH, btw, everyone
knows America created Al-Qaeda in the first place, under Jimmy Carter.
Zbignew Brzezinski bragged about it. Everyone who is polite just
assumes it's another "accident".
What about Pentagon and CIA's involvement with Al-Qaeda in Kosovo,
under President Clinton, documented by none other than the Republican
A deal was struck. Bust Clinton on Monica, but don't bring up Al-Qaeda
in Kosovo or other issues like fundraising from China. It is alleged
that Clinton lied on purpose to "take the fall" for Monica, so
other issues stayed buried, but Dems also agreed not to bring up
similar Republican crimes like Koch Industries payoffs. Handshake. Plus
Al-Qaeda in Kosovo was a bi-partisan operation, not just Democrats.
Finally #1. Partial List of past "faked" terrorism.
The sinking of the Maine. Captain said he
didnt know why the stove blew, but the press (Hearst) knew. Sabotage.
Gave the US an excuse to take Cuba away from Spain, which caused much
death. That radical Mark Twain got really upset over the US killing a
million Filipinos too. That was unAmerican. At that time, EMPIRE itself
was unAmerican. Even Carnegie was mildly against it, only because the
Phillipines was too far away ... local imperialism was OK, because the
stupid natives did not know how to develop their land and exploit their
workers, obviously the US had to teach them.
The sinking of the Lustitania. Germany
sent out warnings to the press. The State Dept ordered the media NOT to
print the warnings. The ship was filled with 2000 passengers and
a load of ammo for the Brits. The passengers were 'human
shields', but the protection the ship had was pulled back at the last
minute when it entered sub-infested waters, making it a sitting duck.
Look up 9-11 War Games for a comparison.
Arming of Hitler, explained above.
Pearl Harbor. One of Roosevelt's highest
cabinet members admitted in his memoirs, they did everything possible
to try to get Japan to attack and make it look like it was an
unprovoked surprise attack. Much more on that.
Cuba, explained above in Northwoods. Also,
flying enemy planes over Cuba hoping to draw a military response from
Cuba, to justify invasion. We do that a lot.
Gulf of Tonkin, admittedly a lie. Also,
similar provocation, warships off the coast of Vietnam, shelling the
shore. The Joint Chiefs and Johnson KNEW that the report of a
torpedo was false, but it served a useful purpose --- if you consider
56,000 dead Americans and 3,000,000 dead Asians useful.
Grenada. No medical students wanted
Libya, bombing Tripoli. Insurance
investigators found out Flight 103 was downed by CIA, not Libya.
However, that's insurance, not court.
Nicaragua. A threat to the US? If you
consider hospitals and land reform for peasant farmers a threat.
Similar for Guatemala, Honduras, Chile, Argentina, El Salvador, etc. Ever heard of Sept 11, 1973? Date of the
CIA bloodbath in Chile, when democracy was eliminated and Pinochet took
Panama. We have to get Bush/CIA business
partner Noriega. Ooh, he deals 'narcotics'. Just like Ollie North and
the CIA (admitted it after the news died down). Noriega getting a
little too 'independent'.
Many other instances of planting fake evidence to frame up countries we
want to attack. That's off the top of my head. The book "Killing Hope"
documents over 60 cases of similar invasions and attacks,
either secret or for false reasons.
Things we know about 9-11 specifically:
NORAD and the US Air Force, a $12 Trillion defense system developed
over 4 decades did not just "fail" to fly a single intercept until it
was too late, waiting for over 90 minutes. They respond in 6. They did
67 intercepts in 2000.
USAF did not "accidentally" leave the Pentagon exposed for 90
minutes. It's sheer insanity and to accept that preposterous lame
Have you ever caught a friend lying to you, chumping
you? Com'on! It's common horse sense to know when someone is yanking
your chain ... even if you want to trust them because you love
them, or because you just can't believe they'd ever do you wrong.
There were at least five simulataneous war games on 9-11. Some
took the Air Force far away. Some involved flying planes into the World
Trade Center. Gen. Eberhard confirmed that on Cspan. Some games
temporarily distracted pilots btw real and fake events. Some pilots
obviously flew at half of max speed to their targets. Many more
anomalies, but the more serious point is a total blackout about
any of this in the media.
Is this not somewhat IMPORTANT?
What if there was a bank robbery --- no, FOUR bank
robberies --- and zero cops showed up because they were in a training
session eating donuts? Even though the whole thing was telegraphed with
dozens of warnings. And the robbers were known to be
"ex"-business partners of the police chief. And years went by but they just
couldn't catch the crooks. And they demanded NO investigation of
the police records.
We KNOW where the Al-Qaeda Moneyman was on Sept 11.
He's the guy who sent $109,000 to the alleged hijackers in Venice,
Florida. He was in Washington, having breakfast with top
counter-terrorism officials. He'd been there all week. He was
the head of Pakistan's "CIA". How do we know? FBI confirmed it.
Yet, a near total blackout about this in the media too, except
for Porter Goss saying "no smoking gun here" exonerating himself of any
blame for hosting this terrorist. (So many other cases of "helping the
We KNOW who publicly said we should "let Osama go free". The 3rd in
line at CIA. Also Bush, he confirmed that point.
We KNOW who got caught on all that insider trading, huge
swings 600 times over normal on put options on United,
American, and Merrill-Lynch prior to 9-11 .. NOBODY
got caught. Our Intelligence and NSA has all the records.
Absolutely. But nobody's looking. Why not? Oh well, they're too busy
going after Quakers and porn sellers to find out who placed bets
We know that FIVE agents of the FBI have come forward with
allegations of being blocked from stopping 9-11. Some of them -- Robert
Wright, Sibel Edmonds, Randy Glass (informant), Ken in Arizona, Colleen
Rowley -- have full or partial gag orders on them. GAG ORDERS! Harry
Samit passed at least 70 memos to his superiors, trying to stop 9-11,
and all were ignored. Not five. Not 25. Not 50. SEVENTY or
more. At what point does ignoring his memos becomes not a
"mistake" but "official policy"?
That and much more.
PS. Whatever others may say, we DO NOT know that "no plane
hit the Pentagon". That's bogus. ALL such wild speculation is bogus.
We may suspect that a soft-nose plane could not punch through
3 layers of reinforced concrete, because it's just some hard stuff like
fiberglass. But we can't say for sure about what caused that damage so it's
stupid for anyone to say so, other than making a calculated
We don't know exactly about bombs in the World Trade Center.
We do know that hundreds of people talked about explosions,
including firemen and mainstream news casters, eyewitnesses who were
blasted. We do see what looks like 'squibs' blowing off the sides.
(So "Loose Change" is partially accurate, at least on that.)
We can debate about the temperature at which steel melts, depending
upon which expert you talk to. We can at least see a controversy
exists, when a top engineer at United Laboratories (UL) who certified
the steel said the "melting steel" story was bullcrap. He said they
were certified to burn for at least six hours. So have others, but ...
But try to to imagine that 96 floors would collapse symetrically,
that each of those sets of trusses would collapse or shear all the way
around the sides and the 47 center columns equally and simultaneously,
and then repeat that precision for each floor
from top to bottom, and do so it in like 0.104 seconds per floor
for trusses to just magically give way like butter or Elmer's
Anyone who thinks about that and still believes it is "drinking the
Koolaid". Or maybe you got a "very good public school education".
(Have you ever tried to unbolt a frame or axle part from a car?)
Some of the bogusness hinges on words, like Morgan Reynolds
about the "buildings toppling over". They did NOT topple.
That's the point. They collapsed. You'd expect them to topple
like a giant Oak tree, not collapse straight down and blow out sideways.
Now there's many other facts which ARE true, and documented, others
which are someone's wild imagination --- or maybe planted by CIA Fakes.
(There is a PDF Acrobat file of a scanned
typed CIA document instructing agents on how to insert disinformation
into the media stream --- reports, books, interviews etc. -- which help
cover up JFK, back up the Oswald theory, and discredit challengers.
It's on the Namebase website.)
(However there's also a page in the Warren Report
about Oswald -- the lone nut who denounced America and became a Soviet
spy --- getting a $435 loan from the US Embassy to return to
America with his wife.)
OK, Gregg. So maybe I didnt write this for you. Maybe I wrote it for
everyone else who's just curious. for more
I'm not a genius, I just tried to sift the chaff from the wheat, and
connect some dots. Dots need to be connected, but rationally.
God bless all the victims and survivors, which is ALL of us.
Oh, I forgot to mention in my previous
post. Google McCormack-Dickstein. It was
a Congessional Committee in 1934 which confirmed the
existence of a fascist plot to seize the White House and install a
military dictatorship, by JP Morgan and Wall Street icons. Who
brought the accusation? A famous Marine General hero who
has Camp Butler in Okinawa named after him.
However, the media trashed him and Congress called few or no key
witnesses and then brushed it under the rug.
Oh well, military takeover of Democracy = no
Why is THAT missing from every history
book? Is that unimportant?
What is the basis for
that statement? I'm asking for real reasons why you're drawing
parallels to Nazis. You didn't say 'tyrant', 'facist' or 'dictator'
you're saying NAZI. I don't see Bush advocating the Aryan race
or calling for genocide.
Let me jump in here. Most people who call
Bush a Nazi imply that he's LIKE a Nazi, in other words, is invoking
fascist policies, like supreme commander over everything and above the
At this point, even Republicans are accusing
him of that. What the heck is Unitary Executive Theory?
Bush says it means, 'As long as we are "at war" I get to make all the
rules with no interference. I can even pass a law and write
myself an exception. Limits under the Constitution? They no
longer apply. We are at war until I say we're not.'
By the way, Tony Blair and Vlad Putin are doing
the same things, seizing power for the Executive Branch and putting
themselves beyond appeal.
Only a particular set of Nazis in a particular
time advocated for the Aryan race and promoted genocide (or
eugenics). The Nazis actually learned
Eugenics stuff from America, but Himmler added the mysticism to it, the
Super Powers they thought would come from blood purification back to a
mystical Aryan bloodline. Goebbels learned how to do propaganda
from the US, from Woodrow Wilson, how to create crowd hysteria.
There is a whole history of American
Establishment Support for the Nazis on Wall Street and in the
mainstream media like Hearst. IBM, Ford, GM, GE, US Steel,
Standard Oil, DuPont, ALCOA, etc. And the big bankers and
investors. I.G. Farben had corporate partnerships
with American elites, trading stock and sharing Directors on their
boards. I.G. Farben made the Zyklon gas.
The fact of Bush's blood relation to
some Americans who supported the Nazis --- documented by the conviction
of his grandfather by FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover --- is a very
minor point compared to the fact that those American Nazi
Liaisons and backers rose to the very height of political power, and
established a political+family dynasty straight from
the Nazis to the current Bush presidency.
Here's some names:
Prescott Bush (also
Great-Grandpa Herbert "Bert" Walker was part of this Nazi funding and
promotions) (after his conviction, he used Nazi money to run for
Senate, and he won!) (even
though he was guilty of far worse Treason than say John Walker Lindh,
he was charged with a far lesser crime and served no time at all, just
a loss of some Nazi assets --- that's what it means to be protected)
Allen Dulles (liaison
with Nazis for Bush and Harriman*,
later CIA founder and Director)
John Foster Dulles (his
brother, Sec of State, previously law partner with Dulles and Nazi
John Kennedy (A Cold Warrior
who pulled back. He fired Dulles. Died mysteriously by a
'magic bullet'. Joe Kennedy had also invested in the Nazis.)
Lyndon Johnson (worked closely
with CIA's goals about invading Nam, lying about Tonkin)
(protégé of Bush back in the 40's, and waterboy for
Dulles, Nixon protected American Nazis from the McCarthy Committee)
Gerald Ford (part of the
Warren Commission, alongside Dulles who controlled the investigation
- Dulles had been fired by JFK prior to the
assassination .. figure out that coincidence)
Jimmy Carter (submitted his
resume to the Tri-Lateral Comm, David Rockefeller's org, heir to
Standard Oil and Chase Bank [the "Left Nazis"])
Rockefeller was Chairman of the CFR which now has
hundreds of members occupying the office of President and cabinet
Reagan (really Bush, Reagan was a B-actor, Bush
was an operator, past head of CIA, you tell me who
George Bush (George's best
friend in college, his father was CIA recruiter, who worked
for Dulles, who was partner with Bush's daddy)
Bill Clinton (promoted by Harriman* heirs,
whose ancestor Averill had employed Prescott Bush, Clinton remains a
close friend of the Bush family back to when he was governor or before,
and Clinton was a major player in the crime syndicate around Bush and
Ollie North and CIA)
"W" Bush (with a Cabinet
that is partly a duplicate of his fathers' cabinet)
Hillary Clinton (Dragon-lady,
tied by marriage to the CFR and her husband's Nazi friends, W
is "telegraphing" her win)
Who's up next? Jeb? Neil?
Jenna? Chelsea? I'm sure the NWO has a couple scenarios
"Nazi" is what you call your parents when they won't let
you stay out past your bedtime on a school night.
As previously explained, Bush's actual historical Nazi background
is LESS important than the political dynasty of totalitarian
rule which is behind BOTH parties.
Let's start from the simplist counter-example. If Bush were a Nazi
everyone calling him one would be in Guantanamo.
like an ape in the zoo flings his feces at the visitors. For about the
same reason, but with less effect.
Wonderful. Ape. Feces. The 6 or links about historians and US
prosecutors and Congress investigating historical Nazi ties to US
elites must be the work of childish apes.
"Like" does not mean "identical". "Identical" would
be stupid. Of course, they cant market an "identical" fascist regime.
It has to look different. It has to have a slick 21st Century
American feel, not a 20th Century German feel. Since it's
America, it has to nod somewhat to "Democracy", even if it does the
opposite. Though even Hitler did that to some extent.
Hitler's rise to absolute power took about 10 years. At first he wasn't
even that bad. Even after the Enabling Act he wasn't that bad to
everyone. He promised socialism to the SA brownshirts, like Rohm. He
started off by only rounding up "commies". He had less to contend with
in terms of overcoming the philosophy of Democratic ideals. The public
had less caring for Democratic representation. Things have to move more
slowly and subtly in America.
Some Conservatives like to
point out with no shame that FDR was "like Hitler" because of the edicts
he set. FDR wasn't goose-stepping, he wasn't even walking.
Some wise people have said that Bush is less "like Hitler" than the
American people are "like Germans in 1933", ripe for totalitarian rule,
eager to have a strong charismatic leader run things. Most of the
Founding Fathers wanted the President to be more like a ceremonial
figurehead, with less power than Congress, less like an autocratic
King. We're moving in the opposite direction without a doubt. And most
Americans are cheering it on ... or were. (Some Conservatives
are actually leading the resistance from within.)
There may be some truth to that,
however FDR was coddling Labor and working people, Hitler was locking
them up. FDR did however set legal precedents and create
govt-controlled unions. I'm looking up how much FDR criminalized
dissent. Woodrow Wilson, and the Prog Dems, now HE
definitely criminalized dissent and rounded up dissenters, even from
legal opposition political parties. Ever heard of the Palmer Raids?
Most people probably think Bush is a
Conservative, because of the marketing. Max Boot, pundit, says that
Bush and his neo-conservative buddies are like Hard Wilsonian
Progressive Democrats. Republicans in the past opposed that!
They are starting to oppose it again.
The War on Terrorism is the basis of all
the new totalitarianism, just like the Reichstag and other manufactured
threats was the basis for Hitler's expansion of power.
This is not about Bush, per se. Clinton made strong strides towards
Don't forget about the War on Drugs. Both were a
war on Americans. Neither war solved the "stated" problem. Both
wars made vast progress on the "actual" problem, which is the idea that
Americans have too much Constitutional Liberty.
Instead, the CIA finally admitted shipping
cocaine and heroin. Heroin shipments from Afghanistan have skyrocketed
since the Taliban fell. The head of our SEC was photographed lobbying
the FARC guerillas about investing their profits in Wall Street. We
also know the CIA has funded and trained Al-Qaeda for decades since
1978. Oh, but that was an accident. There's
a parallel here children, connect the dots.
Differences between Germany and America arise because Americans have a
strong background of democratic representation in a Republican form of
govt. Too much overt change too quickly sounds off alarm
bells. It has to be massaged in, slowly, with justification. Four steps
forward, two steps back.
And there is NO NEED to vest power in one single leader or one
party. That's a red flag. Much better,
create two "opposite" parties which bicker about minor differences but
converge on major policies. Make sure that the parties are controlled
by the same group of 1% of Americans who funds their elections, who
control the financial levers of power.
Shut out all dissenting voices besides theirs. Either block free
dissent or channel it into those parties. Take a step at a time, get
Americans used to totalitarianism by inches and feet, not yards. A few
decades is no big deal. Even a few generations -- starting from the
early 1900's that is.
Foreign Terrorism is one trigger. But don't patrol borders, start
domestic surveillance instead. To solve immigration problems, eliminate
borders. Yeah, that's the ticket. Eliminate national borders
and lock down cities. Electronic surveillance is more discreet than
troops on street corners.
Right wing Terrorism is another trigger. What about Waco? Incinerating
American men, women, and children in their homes. Let all them Patriots
know what can happen to them. Shoot a mother in the head in her doorway
at Ruby Ridge, then exonerate the shooters. Start busting down doors of
suspected drug dealers, without a warrant. If some
elderly die, oh well.
Start seizing people's homes on government edict, like in Connecticut.
Sell public highways in Texas to a foreign corporation in Spain,
institute a system of surveillance ticketing. Sell public ports to the
British protectorate of Dubai, to a private shell company controlled by
someone with an American name. Make people think it's all about
"Arabs", not selling off America. Sell off California ports and the
Panama Canal to companies from China.
Send out an $8 million Homeland Security Military Task Force to Florida
to shoot and arrest old people, union activists, and young vegan-types.
Use War on Terrorism money on Americans instead of Bin Laden. Go
after people who are protesting Executive Orders which guts
Constitutional authority and the US Rule of Law and transfers it to a Free
Trade AREA of the Americas, a regional hemispheric
governing body which eventually will encompass all of North and South
America, according to stated goals. (It will make everyone *rich* ...
just like Clinton's NAFTA did. Hmmm.)
Use Mexican troops to patrol Katrina, and train Russian troops on
house-to-house searches in Texas.
Look up NWO quotes. Think conservatives are against the UN?
They tell you in their own words about their commitment to global govt,
which will be a totalitarian form of socialism. After all, "the
Constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper".
Here's a few quotes:
"I never would have agreed to the formulation of
the Central Intelligence Agency back in '47, if I had known it would
become the American Gestapo. "
-- Harry S Truman (1961)
"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve
the rights of ordinary Americans."
President Bill Clinton, U.S.A. Today, 11 March 1993
"It is the sacred principles enshrined in the
United Nations charter to which the American people will henceforth pledge
President George Bush addressing the General Assembly of the
U.N. February 1, 1992
Michael Ledeen's book Universal Fascism rejects
the idea of a Fascist regime, like Hitler or Mussolini.
Instead, his vision is a global Fascist govt. Some anti-communist conservatives suggest that's like the 4th
Internationale, minus any real semblance of worker's control.
Probably use as many "liberal" measures to enact totalitarianism ---
like outlawing guns --- as conservative measures --- like making
women's uterine tracts the property of the State. Always make it look
like the problem is just "the other party".
That's some the cosmetic differences.
For reference, look up a speech by Republican Ron
Paul, called Neoconned. Look up what long time Republican Bob
Barr (who prosecuted Clinton) said. Look up what Paul Craig Roberts,
Assistant Treasurer who was the father of Reagonomics said. ALL
said "we are moving into a totalitarian state".
Right now, it's flavored like right wing
"Nationalistic" totalitarianism. Next, it will be flavored like
left wing "Communist" totalitarianism.
The CIA is representative of the financial elites of
Tri-Lateral Commission cabal. The "bad evil Neocons" are the latest
whipping boy but they are cut from the same cloth. Brzezinski
created Al-Qaeda by the way.
The Tri-Lateral supported both Carter and Clinton.
Some members seemed to have a genuine distaste for the overt militarism
of Bush, preferring a more covert form of global domination. They were
worried about Bush breaking their stranglehold on the Middle
However, the CFR which is the younger sister of
the TLC is also full of Neo-cons from the Project for A New American
That's why I stated, Bush's actual Nazi background is LESS
important than the political dynasty of totalitarian rule which is
behind BOTH parties. A financial-political stranglehold where the
US economy is controlled at a Federal Level to benefit the largest
corporations, and where that control is ultimately moved offshore to
other central governing bodies that have the power to trump Congress
--- that works much better than a bunch of goose-stepping Nazis.
However, rest assured the CIA, FBI, BATF, NSA, Northcom, and
militarized local police answering to federal authorities are already
moving into a gradual seizure of powers which mimic the power of the
Nazi SS. Dissent will probably be less criminalized than the
Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia, but it will be rendered more irrelevant.
I've posted this comment elsewhere, but I'm going to
post it in acouple of other threads because it's clear that it needs to
be said (and read) repeatedly in light of the absolute garbage being
spewed on this forum:
For God's sake.
It wasn't a damned movie or publicity stunt for a movie, as some of you
nutjobs seem to be frothing at the mouth over.
To you conspiracy jerks I realize that this, like eveything else in the
world doesn't happen actuallly to YOU, personally, this all seems like
a video game, but 9-11 touched my family.
My sister actually knew the main hijacker.
He used to come into where she worked and talked to her like she was a
damned dog, largely because ( I suspect) she was 1)a woman and 2)
Unlike 99.9% of you kiddie-poos posting, I can put names and faces to
those who died. I used to live a couple miles from the WTC, next to a
firestation. They used to wash thei trucks in front of my apartment
every other week. They had a toy Godzilla wired to their front grill
and called themselves "The Fire Eaters". All but 3 of the guy who
worked there were killed.
So take your jerk-off conspiracy theories and lock yourself in the
bathroom with them.
Copperhead, 9-11 affected ALL of us, and it will for years to come.
Your sister knew Mohammed Atta? That's interesting.
The sad part is, why were our top intelligence people rolling out the
red carpet for the man who gave $100,000 to Atta?
There was a news report about Firemen
trying to access the site, and getting blocked by the police, and
getting into some kind of a NYFD - NYPD fistfight. I dont blame NYFD.
Why were cops blocking the firemen from the wreckage? Don't say "to
preserve the evidence", the authorities ****canned the evidence as
quickly as possible.
What about the FBI blocking it's agents from going
after Al-Qaeda, some 80 - 150 times,
if you count Samit, Rowley, Wright, O'Neill, and Gross. Accident?
What about the release of 8000 Taliban in Kandahar? Accident?
What about treating Osama in a hospital across the street from a US
military base in Pakistan? Accident?
What about US officials and politicians eating breakfast with the
hijackers' moneyman? Accident?
What about the 90 minute delayed response on 9-11? Accident? ("experts"
explain away this one, but what about the others)
Is there a pattern here? Or just a bunch
of unrelated Accidents?
What about the lawsuit against the Saudis brought by the widows in NY
and NJ, for funding Al-Qaeda? Why did James Baker block the
What about Michael Chertoff defending another Al-Qaeda guy in New
Jersey for funding Al-Qaeda?
What about Brzezinski funding Al-Qaeda with $20 billion dollars?
Here's my real question: If your family was affected directly, WHY DONT
YOU WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS? Don't you want the
guilty people nailed to a rock, no matter who they are?
Why stifle the investigation, or accept other people stifling
Don't serial killers normally KEEP KILLING? Do you want them to kill
more people? How about Cleveland next time? Los Angeles?
IF THE SAUDIS were somehow involved, shouldn't we be able to see the
proof? Why would the President's bastard family attorney block that? (Michael Moore is an asswipe, Saudis take orders from the
US, they don't act "independent".)
IF this NJ doctor stole $6 million for Osama, as the court suggested,
why did a top Federal Prosecutor get him off? And why did he get a
promotion to direct Homeland Security?
Why don't people CARE??!!! It's horrifying enough to be
attacked by strangers. Why are our top govt officials blocking
lawsuits, blocking the investigation, destroying the evidence, and
lying? (That's a rhetorical question.)
response from Jerry
If you're searching for a single motive, there
For people in the department of defense, it meant they could finally
play with all the new toys.
For people in the CIA, well, they've been studying and experimenting
with destabilizing other governments for so long that maybe it just
finally dawned on them that they could do it here just as easily.
For people in the FBI, expanded domestic policing powers.
For people in the NSA, more funding, increased authority to listen, and
an unveiling (still denied by many) of echelon, their proud crowning
For United and American airlines -- a huge government bailout that
stalled and delayed bankruptcy for a few years.
For the people in the white house -- expanded executive powers, lots of
hefty campaign contributions from the defense industry, a compliant
legislature and electorate.
For the media, well, since I work for a newspaper, I'm still trying to
figure that one out. I guess the scary looking no-necked guys that keep
visiting the editor-in-chief might know the media's motives.
For the people at various corporations that obviously needed to be
involved, the promise of a tighter corporate-rule in america must have
seemed like a dream.
And these are just guesses. I can't claim to know everyone's motives. I
bet even the participants don't fully understand each other's different
One thing's for sure, I can't come up with a rational motive for 19
arab muslims to attack a nation that has the largest and farthest
reaching military on the planet. I can come up with many reasons why
these types would NOT want to do something like that, like say because
they know that the reprisal would bring complete and utter devastation
to their people.
cui buono? who benefits?